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Baseball Off-season Idea for Japanese players *Input needed*

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Post by Admin on Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:35 pm

CBA Rules wrote:International players generally must be signed either as free agents
or through the posting system for Japanese players. However, two groups
of international players are eligible for the First Year Player Draft:
1) Canadian players, and 2) non-residents who attend high school or
college in the United States.[1]


Non-Japanese players


Foreign-born players from the Dominican Republic, Venezuala, Mexico,
Panama, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia and other countries are free
agents. They may sign with any of the 30 Major League clubs during the
international signing period, which runs from July 2 to August 31. To be
eligible to sign a contract, a player must be 16 years old at the time
of signing and turn 17 years old by either 1) September 1 or 2) the end
of his first professional season, whichever is later.[2]


Japanese players


Japanese high school players are subject to the Japan League draft
and may not sign with U.S. clubs. Japanese League players may not become
free agents until they have 10 years of service. Players who want to
play in the Major Leagues before qualifying for free agency must go
through the “posting process,” a system that allows a Japanese club to
solicit bids from Major League clubs for negotiating rights with the
player.[3]

A Japanese club first must “post” the player for bidding between
November 1 and March 1 (see US-Japanese Player Contract Agreement).
Interested Major League clubs then have four business days to submit
blind bids, and the Japanese club then has four business days to accept
or reject the high bid. The high bidder wins exclusive rights to
negotiate with the player for the next 30 days. If the player signs, the
Japanese team receives the posting bid. If the player does not sign,
the bid money is refunded to the Major League club, and the player may
not be posted again for a year.[4]

For non Japanese, i think the player should just go into our rookie draft. I dont know about you guys but I dont think it's worth the aggravation with 16-17 year old kids from wherever.

As for actual Japanese, I'd say just let them go f/a. If it's a Dicek sernario, we will have our bidding thru f/a just like any other player.

Fair?

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:40 pm

simpler process... i can dig it

tho id like to incorporate some of jay's idea-- maybe if you draft a 16 or 17 yr old, you cant deal him for the 3 years??

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Post by Admin on Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:49 pm

i cant find that 3 year rule... why cant they trade the player?

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:01 pm

i believe jay said it equated to taking a gamble on a kid and getting out of it right away-- which is something real life teams cannot do

i'll let him elaborate further

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Post by thephilipbrown on Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:19 pm

Can't we just leave some things as they are?
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Post by HELLFISH on Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:10 pm

I agree with all the other changes this year i think we take a back seat on this one until next year at least.

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Post by Admin on Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:05 pm

There is no change here. This is something we completely missed! I never really gave it thought until now.

Don't you think it would be foolish if an ichiro or dicek is making $5-$10 million in the pros and are on rookie contracts in our league. These are established players from another league. It happens rarely,.buy it does.

I think Japanese veterans signed as free agents should be free agents here, not rookies that are drafted.

As for everyone else they should go.thru the draft.

We need to touch on this.

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Post by HELLFISH on Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:33 pm

1) I just always felt that any player sign in FA by use should always count on the cap.
2) drafted minors I love our system.

May be we can have a mix of both like any foreign player can be signed in FA but will count on cap and any minor from anywhere can be draft in our rookie draft Except for foreign players sign by MLB team in that current year.

This will allow us to bid on into foreign players sign this year this season, but if no team offers deal or starts a bid and player goes to minors, Then they will can be eligible for our Rookie Draft in any of the follow season.

Best of both worlds? and keeping it simple?


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Post by nostratimus on Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:41 pm

I still like the idea that they are drafted but their rookie scale is much higher and guaranteed for 3 years (including no trading). Just the accepted risks if you choose to draft the player.

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Post by Admin on Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:33 pm

My simple plan....

Draft Eligible:

1. players selected in MLB drafts that are eligible for our single A minor league team
2. any international player signed as a free agent excluding Japanese League veterans

Note: Anyone drafted falls under our rookie system

Free Agent Eligible:
1. Any player affiliated with a MLB team that is not owned by a BoS team.
2. Japanese League veterans signed by MLB teams.

Note: Anyone signed in free agency, their contract starts immediately. This is how it is now!

The only thing different here than what we're doing now is saying Japanese League veterans are like MLB veterans and are free agents (As long as a MLB team has signed them).

I really dont want to get into 16 and 17 year old foreign players and different rookie scales, etc. I really dont think it's worth the time or extra work.

Japanese Veteran = MLB Veteran. Done. Simple.

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Post by HELLFISH on Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:37 pm

Sound good and simple, but are Jap's equal to 5 year Vets or can we move to AAA without clearing waivers.

should we count every year played in japan as a year on MLB?

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Post by Admin on Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:44 pm

No. That would still be MLB years. They can move up and down.

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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:08 pm

done. simple. awesome. Cool

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Post by Admin on Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:12 pm

k, ill put up a poll.

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