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REVISITING PAST IDEA - Salary cap based on team's performance

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Post by nostratimus on Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:16 pm

@nostratimus wrote:I know we're trying to scale things back a bit with JI taking over the helm. However, I was a big fan of Team Salary based on the product out there...it brings some equity into this league.

Bravo's proposed 3 year avg was a good way to counter sudden drops and rises from year-to-year and I think this part doesn't require a whole lot of work and is done in the off-season anyway.

I can't remember the vote results, if it even went to a vote, but I do remember many owners liking there idea.

So I can volunteer to handle this part of it if we want to reinstate it. With the summer's off, I have no excuse not to be able to help out a little more.

I'm thinking abut this because there are many teams with a tonne of money and they'll continue to have it as long as they keep rolling it over and building their prospects. So their actual fantasy product will suck but they'll keep getting the same amount to spend as the top teams who are very productive but watching their FA competitiveness slip? I'll let JI decide if he wants to do something about this...It won't start until next off0season anyway so there's no impact this year.

I know many of you guys liked this idea so I'm throwing it out there for 2014 implementation. I think Dustin suggested we wait a couple of years for the expansion teams to get their feet wet so after this year, it will be 2 years. For the new owners who have no idea what this is about, ask questions and I/we will clarify it more. Basically, if your team performs well, you would have more fans and therefore have more money to spend. If you're the Cleveland Indians, well...you'd have to offer 3-for-1 ticket deals just to fill you beautiful stadium at one third capacity, so you'd be finishing at the bottom of the standings and should have less money to spend.

I couldn't help JI with the rule/voting updates but I can def take on this responsibility and calculate 2 or 3 year avergage, assign cap $/team, etc.

If it was up to me, I'd vote for this now to be implemented at year's end. Then team $ cap slots would be based on 2 years (to accommodate expansion teams) and then 3 yrs from then on.
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Post by Xezus on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:37 pm

So it would be a fixed scale? 1st place gets this much every year? Wouldn't that be hard to gauge future salary amounts not knowing how much money you will have in a few years?

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Post by Guest on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:15 am

this is sorta why i wanted more bonuses or more $$ attached to current bonuses, so teams have the 175 guarantee but can earn like 25 more or something

but, im willing to listen to a proposal tim. we all will have a TON of $$$ over the next few years so maybe a 160-180 or so type scale could be worth exploring

i just dont wanna have to track it myself!!

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Post by ericdm70 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:21 am

I don't like the idea personally. Not a fan of the "Rich get Richer" approach. This will be difficult in coming years when new owners come in and realize they not only get a shitty team, but a shitty team that has less cap space.

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Post by DmanofGod1 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:19 am

Personally I don't have a problem with it as long as someone is committed to doing the work it requires in the future and will promise to never ever leave the league and then put that work on someone else lol.

In MLB, if owners run their team into the ground, then the value of their franchise goes down. It's still valuable because tons of businessmen would love to buy an MLB team on the cheap and try to get it to grow.

But in fantasy, there is no value in taking on a crappy team. So, I echo Eric's sentiments.

It's just too simple and easy to give everyone the same money and it makes recruiting new owners less daunting.

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Post by HELLFISH on Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:21 am

am more for bonus earn by first and championship team! leave the cap as is.

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Post by nostratimus on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:23 am

For those who are not a fan of the cap by performance, fair enough. Thought I'd revisit it.

Just throwing it out there tho that I'd happily take on the responsibility of managing the accounting if this idea was a go.

I hear what some of you are saying in terms of trying to attract replacement owners, especially if the vacant team has a lower cap. However, o e of the arguments in the past was that rebuilding teams who are in the bottom of the standings aren't spending their money anyways. Their high draft picks turned prospects will mature into rookie contracts, so again, they "don't" need as much money. In essence, why should these poor performing teams get the best prospects plus equal money? Look at some teams out there and that amount of cap space they have.

I'm okay if the league rejects this idea, but I'll throw out a model soon just so the idea is a little more concrete and then we can really bash it or like it.
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Post by DmanofGod1 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:26 am

Tim makes a good point.

It would give Teams an incentive to put together competitive teams knowing they will lose money if they perform poorly.

But then again, raising the money for bonuses is essentially doing the same thing. Giving more money to the teams that try to win without taking money from people.

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Post by HELLFISH on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:40 am

I just feel there been a alot of changes and i think we can ride the ship for one more year before we make a big change like this.

As for VSF i don't think there will be any changes this year. when we had a great season there no reason to change it!

But i get where your going with this and if we go with it I think we take away the team performance bonus. like it was said before i don't want the RICH getting Richer.

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Post by ericdm70 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:00 pm

This is the first real season for the expansion teams to 100% participate in free agency. Last year we were somewhat limited because we were forced to draft a certain amount of salary in the expansion draft. I say push it off a year at least.

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Post by HELLFISH on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:16 pm

Eric this if we decide to do this type of change it would not be for this year. to would be a one or two year wait before the rule goes into effect to allow all team time to adjust.

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Post by thephilipbrown on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:34 pm

There is no way I will support this
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Post by Ballbasherz on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:33 pm

Holy shit this is the 2nd thing I agree with Phil on. No way I`m on board with this.
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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:41 pm

Okay, not to become like Congress, but, if we vote to allow more than 60milb, let's put this in the Bill.

Team Salary based on performance is fair and the ultra farmers should have less $$ than guys who are winning, lol.

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Post by HELLFISH on Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:11 pm

one step at a time JI. baby steps!

But if Timmy can write up a formula with a proposal it would be fun to review.

Again review does not mean change Guys Cough MARK!

it's a review at winter meetings.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:13 pm

yea, im just thinking politics here

give one side a lil something while getting another for the other side

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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:13 pm

*Comprehensive Salary n Milb Reform Dual Bill*

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Post by nostratimus on Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:38 pm

hehe.

I'll definitely put something together and let it go from there. Busy end to the school year so in a few weeks, I'll get something out.

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Post by Ballbasherz on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:10 pm

Does that mean I have to keep my rants pent up til then. omg life is so unfair
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Post by HELLFISH on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:17 pm

MArk they are just reviews for winter meetings, not mid season change and anything change would have a 1-2 year buff to allow time to adjust! if pasted

still longs way from anything become a new rule

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Post by bshirt7 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:21 pm

I don't like this..seems to make the richer get richer and would be hard to guage contracts..if you were championship team then the next yr your team has a rash of injuriues and plus then your cap would be lower. No
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Post by ericdm70 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:42 pm

I am with Brian on this. Always hated this idea.

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Post by ericdm70 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:58 pm

Abolish the war chest and I may be ok with it.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:00 pm

Nah, War Chest is necessary.

MLB teams effectively have them, which was the basis for that in the beginning.

Maybe adjust how much we can bank, but being able to save funds is important.

Teams routinely go thru times of being 'poor' and then spending lavishly.

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Post by thephilipbrown on Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:20 pm

I'm still not in favor of this *enter obligatory indifference, negativity or sarcasm*
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Post by HELLFISH on Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:22 pm

@thephilipbrown wrote:I'm still not in favor of this *enter obligatory indifference, negativity or sarcasm*
I just spit my soda out of my mouth
. funny

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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:23 pm

ha, yea

pb is a riot

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