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Post by DmanofGod1 on Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:53 am

2014 Arbitration salary = $2.4 mil

year 1: $2.4 mil
year 2: $2.88 mil
year 3: $3.456 mil
year 4: $4.157 mil

Total = $12.89

Contract Offered

Contract Years: 4
Total Contract: $13
Option: yes
Structure:
1) $3.25M 2) $3.25M 3) $3.25M
4) $3.25M
5) $*4.25M 6) $0M

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Post by HELLFISH on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:19 pm

Ha HA HA no option in 4-6 ext. 

I process 4 year ext. but confirm if you want to restructure to 5 years?

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Re: Jhoulys Chacin (Col-SP) EXT

Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:36 pm

Where in the rulebook does it say no options?

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:38 pm

doesnt give the option for options either

but considering they are 4 to 6 years and must be 20 perc raises, it pretty much seems to imply no options, as otherwise, that option yr isn't a 20 perc raise

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Post by HELLFISH on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:04 pm

Does not say yes, 

Here what we will do. 

along with fixing the fra trading rule. i'll place this up to vote. should we be allowed to add team option on the a 4-6 year rookie extension contract. 

sound fare? 

since we this is the first year for this let just vote on it and be done with it.

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Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:12 pm

your right, its a 33% raise.

If you want to give your player more money, thats not illegal.  It doesnt say options or no options.  It says 4-6 year contract.

This is a 4-6 year legal contract.

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Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:13 pm

Thats fine.  Not sure why it wouldnt be allowed anyway.  Contract extensions have options on them all the time in the MLB.

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Post by HELLFISH on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:18 pm

I Like the option, this way we vote on it and amend the rule book either way. 

am for it! this would be a rule change that would be applied this year. you be allow to app to this player if it passes.

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Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:28 pm

I hear ya but still.  Giving the reason "it doesnt say you can do options" isnt valid.  As long as i followed the current rules, this is a legal offer whether it passes or not.  Loopholes are never illegal until they are closed.

Theres nothing illegal about what i offered.

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:48 pm

Sure it's valid.

The rules say 4-6 with 20 percent raises, so in essence, you must follow that.

I get that the option yr raise could be more, but what happens if there is big $$ and the option yr raise is less??

I wouldn't call it a loophole; but more of a situation that we haven't yet had to encounter.

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:00 pm

Maybe allow options on 4 and 5 yr deals where the raise exceeds 20 perc???

That'd make sense..

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Post by HELLFISH on Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:27 pm

here why i wanna look at this D, 

is the option year 25% of the year 4: $4.157 mil
which makes it 4.9884 or $5.157M since under 1M


rather then the the discount rate of 4.25 which is the 1M over your re structured deal? 


i think if we allow the option it should be 25% or 1M of the arb scale and not the restructure. 


so i think your option should not be at a discount but at the true contract value. and should be $5.157? 

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Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:49 pm

Oh good point!

I was just thinking a 1M raise of 3.25M is way more than 20% but I forgot I restructured it.  
Now I see what you guys are saying.  

My bad.

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Post by HELLFISH on Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:22 pm

shit i forgot to vote on this!

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Post by HELLFISH on Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:23 pm

I think options are ok put you have to base on scale and not the restructure. i think that is a fair way to do it.

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Post by DmanofGod1 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:36 pm

i agree

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:39 pm

so, rookie option is last yr of scale + 25perc???

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Post by DmanofGod1 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:43 pm

Sounds like it, so my option even after the restructure would be around  $5.2 mil instead of $4

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:44 pm

that be fair

this way we dont have to just give 5 or 6 yr ext..can do 4 or 5 with that option


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Post by DmanofGod1 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:28 am

Yea

So if it's okay, I would like to give him a $5.2 mil option for 2018

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Post by Ballbasherz on Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:54 am

I`m really not understanding whats going on here. Does this mean we can give options to the players we give contract extensions to??
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Post by DmanofGod1 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:00 am

I think, as along as its 25% more than the last calculated year on the scale.

When it came to offering Chacin a four year deal, his last year was 4.17 something.  So a 5th year plus 25% would be 5.2 as an option

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Post by Ballbasherz on Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:26 am

Ok I have Garcia for 5yrs at $4per so an option would be $5 then correct? If so add the option yr to his contract please
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Post by HELLFISH on Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:22 pm

once you posted mark your done, am not going back and adjusting everyone contract. u posted it live with it.

Dustin posted his with option and i had a problem not with the option but the amount the option was.

I would also would love to go back and place an option on my ext. but i did not post when i offer the ext.

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Post by Ballbasherz on Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:26 pm

If I`m not mistaken this was just brought up and wasn`t available to the early posters. So much for due diligence.I`ll be late from now on so I don`t miss out on anything.
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Post by HELLFISH on Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:35 pm

What the fuck you talking about Mark. when was it not ever available. read above i told d no option because. reasons stated above!

dustin was the only guy to offer an option year. not you not I not any one else offered one. again you posting your ext early is a you problem, you not thinking about offering a option year on the contract is a you problem.

stop being such a fucken cry baby it gets old!

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Post by Ballbasherz on Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:44 pm

Go fuck yourself Dan. Take your self righteous attitude and shove up your ass. I wasn`t crying  or whining. I wasn`t clear on the rule that is all. To me the way it reads that options were made available when D resigned Chacin.Excuse my fuckin ignorance.
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Post by DmanofGod1 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:52 pm

Snap!

Just got real up n hur

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Post by HELLFISH on Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:20 pm

Fuck you to Dustin! you start this mess by being the first ass hole to offer an option year.

HAPPY HOLIDAY's mother fuckers am out until next week

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Post by Guest on Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:07 pm

in fairness, it does seem like this option thing was/is new and i can see how others may want it after knowing its avail

fuckin dustin always opening cans of worms that makes everyone scream and shout!!

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