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Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by itssamman on Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:26 am

Bids Remaining3
Player Age25
Pro Years Played5
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Total Contract $$1M
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1) $1M

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:07 am

I believe this is an illegal move.

The deadline to sign free agents was at the end of week 19 according to the schedule.

A player can only be signed if you can't field a 12 man.  Teletovic is not injured

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:22 am

oh wow, apparently this was week 19.

I guess this is legal but the schedule is clearly wrong.  The schedule says there are two more weeks before the playoffs and the playoffs are in weeks 22,23 & 24.  

I don't ever remember being able to improve your team the day before the playoffs unless it was for an injury replacement.

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by HELLFISH on Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:07 am

I think that was not updated when we moved to 6 teams lat year. 
FA should close during the season, but them are the rules.

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:45 am

Well this is what is in the rulebook

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[*]F/A Deadline: After the deadline date, all bids will be final and awarded to the last team to post a legal bid. Free Agency will be closed for the remainder of the season. The trade deadline is also the free agent deadline. At 12:00 AM PST. Salary Hoops has an exception for the deadline. See Salary Hoops Rosters/ Free Agent Deadline Exception.

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So according to the rules, the trade deadline and free agent deadline are the same except for the exceptions found in the Rosters section (ex: hardship exception etc) 


I would think that rule was created to prevent just a case like this, where a competing team would add a late hot free agent and would directly alter a playoff matchup.    

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by HELLFISH on Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:54 am

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[*]Free Agent Deadline Exception Free Agent Deadline Exception: After the deadline, if a team has a player get injured the team can make a roster move to cover the injured player. The teams roster must have 12 active players.

[*]The IR must be full with 3 injured players.

[*]The player signed will use cap space and be signed to a 1 year/$1M contract.

[*]There will be no waiting period and the player can be added immediately.

[*]No players need to be cut when using this exception.

[*]There is no limit to this exception as long as the team has enough cap space to cover all the players signed.

[*]Once the playoffs begin this exception cannot be used.

[*]The Commish must approve the transaction.

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by HELLFISH on Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:55 am

[*]Once the playoffs begin this exception cannot be used.
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this trump all. i feel playoffs have begun. 

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:00 am

Well this isn't even a hardship exception

This was just a straight up FA signing.  The player he cut to make room for Stephenson, Teletovic is not hurt.

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by HELLFISH on Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:03 am

with have 4 guys on the IR (hurt/out) he did not have to make room has hardship allow you to always have 12 player (full yahoo roster)

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:05 am

so then can you do that?

just cut and add players as much as you want if you have 4 hurt guys?

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by HELLFISH on Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:05 am

but yeah, if Mirza Teletovic (Pho-SF,PF) IW was the 12th player. you not/ or should not be able to drop him for different player.

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by itssamman on Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:07 pm

Nowhere in the rulebook does it explicitly state you can't waive a hardship exception and sign someone else. 

Perhaps we can revisit this in the offseason, but this is legal.

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by HELLFISH on Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:26 pm

no it say you have the except to sign player and the if you have another injury you have the option to sign another player.

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:27 pm

According to Rosters - Rule #10

This move is illegal

After the deadline, there is only one exception to make a move.  A roster move can only be made IF a player gets injured.

1) Teletovic did not get injured

2) A roster move (not multiple moves, one).

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by HELLFISH on Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:27 pm

also say 
"Once the playoffs begin this exception cannot be used"

playoff start today and today is the day your signing a player!

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by itssamman on Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:51 pm

The bid was made Week 19, so this qualifies as before the FA deadline.

As long as the bid wasn't made AFTER the deadline it's fine. It's exactly the same as when you make trades before the deadline, and they get approved after the deadline. That is legal.

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:15 pm

Well if we are going to arbitrarily go by an incorrect schedule, then playoffs aren't for two more weeks

Shady

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by HELLFISH on Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:26 pm

Again. 
when did we change the deadline. cuz rule is 

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[*]F/A Deadline: After the deadline date, all bids will be final and awarded to the last team to post a legal bid. Free Agency will be closed for the remainder of the season. The trade deadline is also the free agent deadline. At 12:00 AM PST. Salary Hoops has an exception for the deadline. See Salary Hoops Rosters/ Free Agent Deadline Exception.
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Also the Schedule on the contract page was from 2 years ago before we went to a 6 team playoff.

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by HELLFISH on Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:26 pm

@DmanofGod1 wrote:Well if we are going to arbitrarily go by an incorrect schedule, then playoffs aren't for two more weeks

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i was about to say that aswell. we get a 2 week bye!

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:28 pm

And when I say arbitrary, I mean the rulebook says the trade deadline and the free agent deadline are the same (except for hardship excpetions)

So are we going by the rulebook or by a schedule on the contract page that is clearly wrong and outdated.

But it's fine.  I don't want to argue you into this.  In no league do we let guys sign free agents the week before playoffs so I was hoping you would just realize this is just wrong.

It is what it is.

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Post by itssamman on Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:25 pm

Um technically, what I'm doing is perfectly legal so you can shove your passive aggressive shit up your ass.

I'm using the rulebook where the trade deadline is the free agency deadline, but I can sign guys before the playoffs because of the hardship exception. The argument can be made that hardships exceptions should be allowed to swap since the owner has no leeway with his IR (plus it's still costing him money).

I'm going to be the bigger man here and just reverse it and bring Mirza back and drop Lance, since this is clearly a loophole in our rulebook that I'll change after the season.

Also, maybe it would help if you pointed out that the contract page was wrong beforehand and stopped using it merely to update your own roster (minus MKG), maybe you'd have spotted the Jae Chowder mistake yourself.


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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by DmanofGod1 on Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:34 pm

Not it's not legal. The hardship exception isn't for a player that was hurt in the past.  Once you sign a 12th healthy guy, thats it...unless one of those 12 gets hurt.  Saying you can just cut and resign all the guys you want after the deadline just because you have the same 4 peeps hurt is ridiculous.

But it's just part for the course with you as commissioner.  Of course you wouldn't know the schedule for your own league and then pass off blame for me not catching it.  

Your apathy year after year is awesome.  

Now I added some sarcasm to go with my passive aggression.

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by HELLFISH on Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:45 pm

SAM CHEATING, and i dont want anything to do a league that will allow it! 

this is not passive aggressive. if this is alowed then am done. I AM DONE WITH THIS LEAGUE ALL THE GM'S THAT DONT GIVE A RATS ASS!

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by itssamman on Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:24 pm

What are you guys talking about? I ALREADY reversed it and bought Teletovic back.

How is this cheating? No rules were broken. It's not stated anywhere in the rulebook that if the hardship exception is granted then you couldn't change it out with another one. This is a murky situation and that's why I reversed my move. How many times in the past in all our leagues have people went through loopholes which were legal, only to be amended in the offseason. Was that cheating then? This is a rare case when someone actually qualifies for this rule and used it. As commish, I realize how it's unfair for competitors like you guys, and that's why I reversed it, and expect to explicitly address this in the rulebook for the hardship exemption.

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Re: Lance Stephenson (Mem-SG,SF) FA

Post by HELLFISH on Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:55 pm

Thank You

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